“On election night I guarantee ANTIFA and other left wing terrorists will start very violent riots in most American cities (big and small). Biden and Harris support this type violence. President Trump will win by a large majority, but it will not be recognized by Biden. Once Trump wins he should immediately imprison Biden, Harris, Pelosi, the Clintons, and Mr. and Mr. [sic] Obama for treason and sedition. Then he should immediately imprison ANTIFA, BLM, and their supporters.”
He concluded by saying “I give you a 100 percent guarantee” that on the night of Nov. 3, Americans “will see more violence than they have ever witnessed in their lifetime. Be prepared to protect your property and family.”
I wanted to find out more about why Gaubatz would make such a dreadful prediction, so I called him up in hopes of fleshing out his reasoning.
He did not disappoint.
I should note that this was not my first encounter with Mr. Gaubatz. The first time I met him, in February 2020, we talked for hours over dinner at a café in Troy, Michigan. I found him highly credible and professional.
Gaubatz is known for going undercover into U.S. mosques. These expeditions have uncovered literature supporting child marriage, honor violence and other anti-American activities, which he includes in a written report certified with a sworn affidavit before turning it over to authorities. Almost without fail, neither the police nor the mainstream media do any follow-up work of their own to find out if his reports contain evidence of criminal activity. You can read my article about his mosque ventures in the archives under the title Undercover Agent: Michigan mosques promoting child marriage, openly campaigning for Bernie Sanders.
Gaubatz is no third-rate investigator and the fact that his work is mostly ignored by law enforcement speaks volumes as to how America has devolved into its current state of revolutionary upheaval, where the worst elements in our society are venerated as sacred cows by the media and even officers of the law have been seen on video taking a knee in public spaces.
Gaubatz served 12 years as an active-duty agent in the U.S. Air Force Office of Special Investigations, followed by several years as a civilian agent, including a stint in Iraq. He is fluent in Arabic and has researched more than 400 mosques since 9/11. He is founder of the threat analysis website America’s Civil War Rising: The Red-Green Alert.
Below is a transcript of my interview with him on Oct. 28, 2020. My questions are in bold.
Why are you convinced the left will start its violent uprising on election night even though we are unlikely to see a winner declared until days or weeks later?
Yes, I think it’s going to really ignite on election night and of course accelerating as we follow through to the point where they do determine who won. Since the 1970s I’ve been analyzing security situations, and providing advice directly to government for 24 years, and all the indicators are there, that starting election night we are going to have so much violence. It will at some point going forward be comparable to the first Civil War. We’re already in the early stages of this second civil war but starting with election night it’s going to be so much greater than anything Americans have seen in their lifetimes.
Did I hear that right? Are you suggesting that Civil War 2.0 will be potentially worse than what America experienced from 1861 to 1865?
I definitely do see it as worse. Based on everything I’m looking at, if Biden were to come out the winner after some drawn-out process [of ballot counting] I think American patriots are going to say, you know what, enough is enough. I think the night of the election is going to ignite Civil War 2.0, which make no mistake will be started by the leftists and the anarchists, and we are going to lose hundreds of thousands of people.
That first Civil War led to more than 600,000 dead and many more wounded.
I’m not saying we will see that many dead within four years, like in the first Civil War, but I expect these casualties to be taken on both sides over what could be a decades-long war.
But you believe history will read that the spark that led to this war was the 2020 presidential election?
Yes. There is just too much distrust, too much rage, too much hatred on both sides, to imagine any other outcome [short of divine intervention].
Please share some of the signs that jump out at you.
Well, you and I are seeing it now, people are hating one another now strictly over politics. That kind of hatred, it’s never existed before in America.
I served under presidents Democrat and Republican, and I always believed that although there were differences they still loved this country. I no longer believe that. As a military veteran I don’t believe the Democrats love this country. And I would not advise anyone allowing their son or daughter into the military now under a Democrat president because they would be forfeiting their lives under a Biden administration.
My daughter is 22 and I would not recommend her going into the military because if Biden is elected they’re going to be fighting against American values all over the world.
What about law enforcement today? They seem to be the target of much of the left’s vitriol.
I am former law enforcement and I support our law enforcement officers.
But I truly believe that, if the Democrats win, the majority of the police departments and sheriff’s offices are going to fall right in line and carry out unconstitutional orders, whether it be gun confiscations, arrests, people being harassed for expressing their political views, whatever. The majority of police officers are going to be under the Stockholm Syndrome, where it’s easer to go along with the captain than it is to fight him.
I do believe we need to support them, our law enforcement, all the while keeping it stored in the back of our minds that it’s going to be those same individuals at 3 o’clock in the morning knocking down our doors.
How did we get to this point in America, the land of the free?
The socialists and Marxists have been gradually taking over our major institutions for years, including the federal bureaucracy, DOJ, the media, school systems, the churches. They’ve taken them over already, despite us electing a conservative Republican in President Trump in 2016. That’s why he’s had such a difficult time and why we are now at the precipice of civil war.
What about the Muslim element? Do you expect they will join in this revolution on the side of the Marxists or will they sit this one out?
No they’re not going to sit it out. We just went to some mosques in Tampa and we also infiltrated an Antifa event. When I’ve gone to the various mosques over the last year, whether it was in Michigan, in West Virginia or in Florida, I saw them working in concert with the Democrats to get an administration in the White House that is Democrat, socialist, Marxist, whatever you wish to call it. In Tampa this last weekend, we found they’re very much supporting Biden-Harris and the Marxist movement, the same in West Virginia and the same in Michigan, where they were working in February to get Bernie Sanders elected in the primaries.
So the Islamic groups are joining hand in hand with the Democratic Socialists. Just like with COVID, they’re trying to prove themselves to the most radical elements inside America and want to be seen as following along with the progressive Democrat agenda, so they’re actually shutting down their mosques tighter than any churches during COVID.
This should not surprise anyone. The American Islamic leaders have always said that once they see the takeover happening they will support that leadership. If Biden wins, you’re going to see the Muslims coming more out front and center along with Antifa, not because they like them but because they see they have strength right now.
What about the role of the Chinese Communist Party, which seems to be financing and fomenting much of this revolution, through groups like the Freedom Road Socialists and others?
The Chinese don’t necessarily support Islamic groups but they all have the common denominator that they hate America. They have that in common and that’s why we call it the Red-Green Axis.
The Islamic groups will fight alongside and support the Marxist groups, until Islamic leaders feel they are powerful enough to overthrow the Marxists. Until then they will work hand in hand with the Marxists and the Marxists will welcome them.
So they need each other to get this revolution done?
Yes. Islamic groups don’t have good organization. They are the worst organizers in the world. They have so much infighting that they just can’t organize themselves very well. The Marxists are expert organizers and stand side by side with one another no matter what, but the Islamic groups are not like that. We saw that [lack of disciplined organization] at CAIR’s National headquarters in Washington, D.C. There was no way they should have allowed us to infiltrate their office but they did. They had security guidelines but they didn’t follow them. Not one of my researchers ever had to produce any ID once they were on the inside of CAIR National. My son only had his original driver’s license but they never asked for it, never once followed through on their own security plans.
Every mosque should have a picture of me. I’ve been in over 400 mosques. But they just can’t get their act together.
Wow, that sounds to me a lot like the American conservative movement!
Conservatives are the same, yes, they really don’t back one another when they should be. Marxist communists are very good at this.
Yes, at least up until the point they achieve power. Then you see the purges.
But I do think we are in the early stages of Civil War 2.0 and election night is going to trigger it to the next stage of violence.
How do you see that playing out?
The executive branch under Biden would lead the way in silencing all opposition, rounding up dissidents, placing them in camps or prisons. None of these scenarios are far-fetched. The camps are still in place. I used to work with FEMA very closely as a federal agent so I know what kind of plans that they have. I was a federal agent and had to coordinate different plans, check their plans. For instance, if Scenario A happened or Scenario B happened, and you put together an analysis of each.
Have you seen any evidence of weapons caches at the mosques you’ve been to?
No. It would require deep undercover to see that. Those places are off limits, even to the average Muslim mosque member. In Iraq we found them [weapons caches] and they told us why they did it so it’s safe to assume they are doing the same thing here but I don’t have evidence of it.
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